Ordering 7meilenstiefel (7 league boots)

[whiteclaw]

i agree to martin, i have testet poweriser, flyjumper, speedjumper, 7meilenstiefel and powerskip. the different between these boots are sometimes very big.
7meilenstiefel are totaly new development, the boot is similar to the other but not the same. powerskip has also a different boot as the knock offs if you look precise.

[Dan Silverman]

However, these countries still cannot legally sell/ship the product to other countries such as the U.S.  or  the U.K. where the patent is in force ...

I think it works this way: The countries where the patent is not in affect (i.e. places like China) can legally sell/ship the product wherever they want, but people WITHIN the countries where the patent is in affect CANNOT resell them. In other words, I live in the USA and I could purchase the product from the manufacturer in China. However, if I went to sell the same item in the USA (or any of the patent countries) then I would be in violation of the patent and thus liable.

[bcicio]

Sorry to disagree, Dan.  But that is not how it works.  I own 2 U.S. patents and am very familiar with the process.  China cannot sell to anyone in a patent protected country, period.  U.S. Patent Law even prohibits China from sending an acrobatic team over to the U.S. to perform using Alexander Bock's product without a licensing agreement with him.  Who would stop them?  Well, the patent owner would have to do it by obtaining a court order via a lawsuit.  But that is how strict U.S. patent law is.  Unfortunately, the burden of protecting and enforcing a patent is on the inventor with the help of the U.S. courts.

Another example would be if I invented a beverage cart and Korean Airlines started using it on their planes.  In order for them to land those planes in the United States and use those beverage carts in the U.S., they would have to pay me a royalty.  If they didn't, little ol' me could bring a lawsuit against them and prevent Korean Airlines from landing any plane at U.S. airports if it uses that beverage cart onboard.

Just meant as an FYI.

Bill C.

[martin]

However, these countries still cannot legally sell/ship the product to other countries such as the U.S.  or  the U.K. where the patent is in force ...

I think it works this way: The countries where the patent is not in affect (i.e. places like China) can legally sell/ship the product wherever they want, but people WITHIN the countries where the patent is in affect CANNOT resell them. In other words, I live in the USA and I could purchase the product from the manufacturer in China. However, if I went to sell the same item in the USA (or any of the patent countries) then I would be in violation of the patent and thus liable.

Sorry, but no the Chinese manufacturer is NOT entitled to sell/ship them to the US since this is in fact a selling within the US (unless they have the permission from the patent holder). The other question is do they get caught, since if the US reseller publishes the offer to sell it is more likely that he is noticed by the public and therefore also by the patent holder. But again already the first step (shipping to US, UK, Germany etc.) is violation.

[martin]

ey fun, I posted at the same minute like Bill with the same content.

Bill, you explained it perfectly

[Dan Silverman]

Thanks for the information, guys. Obviously I have a lot to learn in this area and you both have helped me out.

Having said that, this brings up a concern. MOST of us on this forum live in countries where these products are protected by patent. MOST of us have the Chinese versions of the product. Therefore, most of us are in possession of a product that should never have made its way here and should never have been sold to us by the reseller. What does that mean for us who own these products?

[poweriser kid]

Thanks for the information, guys. Obviously I have a lot to learn in this area and you both have helped me out.

Having said that, this brings up a concern. MOST of us on this forum live in countries where these products are protected by patent. MOST of us have the Chinese versions of the product. Therefore, most of us are in possession of a product that should never have made its way here and should never have been sold to us by the reseller. What does that mean for us who own these products?

yea but still what u gonna do
pk

[Dan Silverman]

yea but still what u gonna do

Two things:

1 - I would buy only from legal dealers

2 - I would advise others to do the same.

[Sprog]

Having said that, this brings up a concern. MOST of us on this forum live in countries where these products are protected by patent. MOST of us have the Chinese versions of the product. Therefore, most of us are in possession of a product that should never have made its way here and should never have been sold to us by the reseller. What does that mean for us who own these products?

I reckon there's 2 views on this:
1) You didn't know about the patent when you bought your riZers so you're not at fault, PoweriZer/FlyJumper and the reseller are at fault.
2) You did know about the patent, so technically you're at fault for buying a product you knew was illegal in your country

I'm interested to know why goverments/customs haven't realised this yet, it's quite an expensive product and comes in a pretty big box... You'd have thought they'd have been told (by Mr Bock or a similar person) that they're illegal to be sold and check out that they're the legal versions coming into the country...

I think the best option is like Dan Silverman said, only buy from legal dealers... but the problem there is if you ask, they're bound to say "yes" aren't they, because they want your money!

[bcicio]

Well...   U.S. Patent Laws do not hold the consumer responsible nor expects the consumer to know which products are being sold "legally" regarding patents.  So, from a legal standpoint, you bockers technically don't have to worry about that -- UNLESS you are reselling your used risers, knowing that a royalty had never been paid to the patent owner.  In that case, the patent owner would still be entitled to their fair royalty on the sale you make.  (A patent owner is entitled to a royalty once during the course of the product.)  But how could you know whether or not the royalty had already been paid by the manufacturer or original seller?  Again, you wouldn't be expected to know that, nor do people commonly look into the payment history of a used item they are selling - so the courts generally turn a blind eye to such private sales by the consumer.

However, from a moral perspective, one should try to purchase from a licensed seller whenever possible.  If an unlicensed seller is willing to screw the patent holder, chances are that same manufacturer is perfectly willing to screw you, too, when it comes to support.  If you want to know if a manufacturer or distributor is selling the product legally, all you have to do is email the Powerskip folks and ask.  They'll tell you.

Just my 2 cents.

Bill C.

[GeoBoy]

why does the topic of patents keep coming up???

being a consumer u dont need to worry about it, so stop asking about it, buy your "bocks" and enjoy them, stop worrying about patent laws, thats for the inventor to worry about.

by talking about it, what r u gonna solve??? nothing.

just my 2 cents

[Dan Silverman]

I "worry about it" because I want to know the law and be obedient to it. I "worry about it" because I am hoping to sell (legally) some brand of jumping stilts in the very near future. I "worry about it" because I want to be knowledgable about the subject in order to better advise people. People come to this forum from time to time asking if such-and-such a brand or such-and-such a dealer is a good one to use. Why not be knowledgable to be able to inform and help others.

BTW - I don't think this topic has come up all that often. If it bothers you, then you don't have to read the posts about it and you certainly don't have to reply if you don't have anything useful to add by way of this part of the topic. I am not trying to be mean, but just because you don't see what it can solve to have this information does not mean there is nothing be be gained by some of us talking about it.

[GeoBoy]

I "worry about it" because I want to know the law and be obedient to it. I "worry about it" because I am hoping to sell (legally) some brand of jumping stilts in the very near future. I "worry about it" because I want to be knowledgable about the subject in order to better advise people. People come to this forum from time to time asking if such-and-such a brand or such-and-such a dealer is a good one to use. Why not be knowledgable to be able to inform and help others.

BTW - I don't think this topic has come up all that often. If it bothers you, then you don't have to read the posts about it and you certainly don't have to reply if you don't have anything useful to add by way of this part of the topic. I am not trying to be mean, but just because you don't see what it can solve to have this information does not mean there is nothing be be gained by some of us talking about it.

i totaly understand if you feel u wanna know due to u wanting to sell in the future. but for straight consumers, what use is it.

also if it is THAT important and that u WANT to know the patent law, why are you here asking?? is this also a law forum, are some people here lawyers?? is the info here about patent laws right???

i know that if i wanted to start a business selling stuff internationally, i would be contacting a lawyer, not gathering info from a forum.

i dont mean to sound like a dick but i just feel that if i were starting a business id go to a lawyer, this forum to me is leasuire time, id hate for people to have a patent laws swimming in there head while bocking.

[bcicio]

Some statements were made in this thread that were somewhat incorrect and we are simply discussing it so that the correct information can be given to all who are interested.  Obviously, you are not interested in the subject or in learning anything about it.  Nor are you interested in adding anything to the conversation besides telling people they shouldn't be wasting their time discussing it.  Others do have an interest in discussing this subject here in this forum and if you don't want patent law thoughts tripping you up as you merrily bock along, then just stay out of this thread rather than put someone down for having an intelligent discussion about the subject.

And, yes, you are sounding like one.

Bill C. 

[Sprog]

Well said Bill!

I'm interested in these patent laws because I want to know which ones are legally allowed be sold out of common interest. Not because I want to sell them, simply because I want some background knowledge on the product that I can then tell other people and hopefully help out a bit!