About bottoming out...

[Phillz]

Is it good or bad?
If it's good do you use it advantage?
If it's bad what makes it bad, maybe because you loose balance?

What's you're opinion?

Both me(74kg) and Mockarutan(66kg) can bottom out Riser's 08 7090 springs at will and we're looking for good tips if and how you can use bottoming out moments for your advantage, like pressing your feet down a little extra to jump up when you bottom out.

[scousybouncy]

Personally i think its bad, if i bottom out on springs, i get shockwaves through my spine and thats not good.

As far as i know bottoming out all the time can increase the risk of springs snapping.

So generally its a bad thing.

[Jump-UP]

Offtopic: phillz do you live a long way from gøteborg or strømstad???

[joe23002]

Its a bad thing, if you bottom out you lose potential energy through the footplate into the ground, which could have been used to jump higher. Also, if you bottom out, as scousybouncy said, it will hurt your back and you may end up with backache after a while which will stop you from jumping around

[Phillz]

Agh crap, bad news then. I guess i need stiffer springs? Or should i just learn to avoid it as much as possible? I've been thinking about getting 7's springs but aren't they softer?

Offtopic: phillz do you live a long way from gøteborg or strømstad???

About 40 min from Göteborg, so i'm close enough hehe.

[darfgarf]

...depends which springs you get, the x-rexes say they're up to 120KG, but they're not available as spares due to the fact they're too powerful for most frames and would probably break them...or at least thats what 7leagues say

...good luck avoiding bottoming out, the only way i've found is to not jump high at all, but i am on some of the softest springs on this forum probably, unless someones using old almost snapped kiddy stilts

[XarnuSonci]

bottoming out is bad, it sends a shock up your back and can throw you off balance.  Its controllable, just difficult, i've gotten to a point where i can feel myself bottoming out but just gently enough that i'm not slamming into the ground and throwing myself off. This just means i can use the entire spring.  If you bottom out often, and you can get stronger springs, its not a bad idea, but if you don't bottom out that often, then finish off your current springs, and when they die get new stronger ones.

[Phillz]

Yep that's my plan, but which spring is would suit me the best is the question, i actually think these springs are soft, i can only imagine 7's springs and due to not being able to even buy x-rexes would it be a bit difficult.

Where do i get the springs though? Where can i find the cheapest place to buy new springs without getting ripped off.  I'm thinking about getting Powerskip springs after all, but i'm not sure how much they cost..

oh and about the bottoming out part. I kinda bens my knees a little and press my feet down extra when i feel that i cannot compress the springs more, which causes me to push myself up just like jumping from the ground without stilts and maybe i do get more height out of doing such, i'm not 100% sure if i do this though and of course is it hard to time it right every bounce you make.

The thing is that when i do bottom them out, according to what i just wrote, do i bend myself down a bit but does that still cause hard pressure on my back? It feels like you're landing a normal jump without stilts sometimes, not always.

Maybe i'm way off and maybe I'm just imagining things again, but doesn't this give me more height if I already compressed the springs to max and add more "energy" as i push myself up from the ground as the springs stay maxed out until i launch into the air?

Perhaps the whole "bouncing" part is what gives more height compared to "setting" the springs to max, then pulling a trigger to release them to launch me into the air.

I do see your points and i do believe them, I'm just having some second thoughts. Excuse my confusing explanations and the lack of exact words, I'm doing my best to describe the points I'm trying to make the best i can  on English. 

[Jump-UP]

im also bottoming out my pr50-70 and im 47kg... cant imagine jumping on 70-90kg so... what will be best for me???

[XarnuSonci]

they cost like $500 us, idk how much it would be to get them to sweeden.  You should def go up if you're bottoming out the 7090's.  So s-rex or skips are the right places to look, idk if they're gonna ever gonna sell s-rex spring seperately, but might as well worry about what you're gonna get based on what's available when you're current springs give up.

[Phillz]

Ouch...sadly am I no made of money so $500 for a pair of springs is out of my league. I better get used to this and learn to use them better.

I edited my last post, if you have any suggestions and answers am i glad to hear them.

[Mr Frank]

The European distributor of 7leagues will sell S-Rexes separately, I almost bought a pair but then discovered some Powerskip springs for cheap.

[Dome]

Hello bouncers,
To come back to the out bottoming point, I can only talk out of the sight of a non very skilled bouncer. As a such, I do consider springs that just can be out bottomed if one is real, real looking for as the best choice for my stage of skills.  Springs that can be out bottomed with less than the absolute maximum of the personal possible force they sucks and bouncing becomes boring. Springs that can not be out bottomed at all I do consider as to stiff for non  very skilled users. So the user is more concentrating to put power in it, instead of working on his technique.

Have fun, jump high, says Dome

P.s.
Mystery springs are different in behavior as well, when out bottomed.

[scousybouncy]

Phillz, I recommend getting a pair of springs the next weight class up. I think thats the best thing to do.

[Phillz]

Alright! I'll make sure to avoid bottoming out the next time i hit the streets. Hopefully will S-rex's be sold as spare parts when my pr 7090 dies.

Thanks for all your help